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Pogo

155 post s
27-Dec-2007
12:21 PM
Thirty-some years ago, my sister-the-English-teacher (junior high) mentioned that literature from before 1965 was now forbidden (by school or school board; she didn't specify) in English classes. "No Shakespeare? No Kipling?" I asked. "Why?"

"[They say] It's not relevant."

"Not relevant! Not relevant?" I was almost yelling. "'The Barring of the Door'!"

"What?"

Mind you, that sister was (indirectly) responsible for my having read that ballad when I was 10 or 11. She had pulled a volume of Harvard Classics ("Chaucer to Pope") off the shelf and showed me how to understand the English of those ballads, so I read many of them. As I really liked that one, I memorized it. But she did not remember that ballad, or introducing the book to me, at all; I recited "The Barring of the Door" for her (mispronouncing, of course) and she agreed that it really was relevant. She took down the first line so that she could look it up, planning to argue with the Powers That Were. (Of course they did not change their tiny minds.)

CeeBee

1407 post s
27-Dec-2007
1:01 PM
What is their definition of relevant?
Pogo

159 post s
27-Dec-2007
1:42 PM
At the time, I figured they thought anything written before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would show children a bad world that didn't exist anymore, because we all loved each other and got along with each other beautifully. Of course, educrats have since decided that we must all maintain our own cultures and languages, that there is no way any of the subgroups can be anything like any of the other subgroups, not if they can help it! And they are teaching some really strange history -- did you know that, before 1964, every school (and probably store) in the whole country was segregated by law? I sure didn't! But I've encountered 5th and 6th graders who do.
TheMudge
The Real Mudge
2471 post s
27-Dec-2007
8:51 PM
Thank you for reviving discussion on this board, Pogo.

My view (from some distance) is that many teachers (and, for that matter, administrators) lack sufficient education themselves to be able to judge what is relevant. Educationists continue to put a great deal of emphasis on methodology, neglecting substantive subject matter. One of the many subjects being neglected is history. At least, that's the impression I get from my students, who know little about anything that happened before they were born and not much about anything that happened more than a few years ago. A few don't know much about what is happening now because they don't read newspapers or even Internet news sites. They are too busy chatting and downloading the latest hit songs.

"Relevance" cannot be judged accurately without the perspective of history. Furthermore, one must have the ability to think broadly in terms of connected ideas to find relevance. Ideas in the past become relevant to the present when we view them in this broader perspective.

Our culture, too, is rapidly approaching a point where we think that only the newest of the new is worth our attention. If it's from the past, it's irrelevant. That seems to apply as much to ideas as it does to physical things. The lessons of history? Irrelevant. The history of other cultures? Irrelevant. The origins of the world's religions? Irrelevant. Literature written more than a few decades ago? Irrelevant. Art and music created less recently than the last decade or two? Outdated and irrelevant. Thus, we educate children to believe that all that matters is here and now.

One of the goals of education should be to give a broad perspective. For that, a knowledge of the past is not just relevant; it is essential.

It is not suprising that Pogo's "sister-the-English-teacher" has forgotten exposing Pogo to literature that is still somehow relevant to Pogo. That was in the past; it can be dismissed and forgotten, for it is no longer relevant. By that reasoning, what we're teaching now is a waste of time, too. In twenty years or so, it will be irrelevant.
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Rich Turner (The Curmudgeon Himself)

Pogo

165 post s
28-Dec-2007
11:38 AM
My sister's memory is not detail-oriented; she has always remembered wider vistas. Many years ago, she commented that the two of us would be a good debate team; she would be responsible for the grand scheme and I would supply details for it.
TheMudge
The Real Mudge
2476 post s
29-Dec-2007
1:38 PM
In the grand scheme of things, however, the details of history are relevant. "Grand schemes" are wonderful, but they don't work if the details are neglected. Unsupported by particulars, they collapse like a bridge with no supporting girders.
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Rich Turner (The Curmudgeon Himself)

Last Edited on 29-Dec-2007 1:39 PM

Pogo

174 post s
31-Dec-2007
9:10 AM
Oh, yes. That sister minored in history, and could never understand why England and Wales kept fighting each other. I learned this from her exclamation of surprise when I pointed out Wales on an outline map while teaching her the location of every country in the world after she'd said something of needing to learn that. She had thought that Wales was in central Europe. Note: she is six and a half years my senior, and I have learned some things -- all language-related -- from her; we had nearly the same grade school education (some of the books had not changed at all), and my ninth-grade school was much worse than hers.